Ben Affleck was referring to Jennifer Lopez as his “wife” just earlier this year — but in the same vein, he was also pointing out that he wasn’t a huge fan of how famous she is.The actor sat down as a guest for Kevin Hart‘s most recent episode of his ‘Hart to Heart’ talk show — and yes, they got into Ben and Jen’s marriage … in fact, Ben talked about it at length, and he had some interesting insights.

For starters, he called J Lo his “wife” in this sit-down … while at the same time pointing out that she draws a ton of attention, something he notes he’s not really a huge fan of.

Check out Ben’s characterization of this for yourself … he says it’s “bananas” how famous Jen is — explaining that when they go out, people are falling over themselves over her … whereas they don’t really freak out over seeing him.

Something else Ben made perfectly clear in this interview … he does NOT like attention and cameras in his face — especially when his kids are around — and that’s undoubtedly increased by a lot since he’s gotten back with J Lo.

It’s a fascinating convo — but what’s even more interesting is the fact that Ben is bearded here … and the reason that’s noteworthy is because he’s not rockin’ a beard these days, so this interview is actually pretty old.

Ben was wearing a beard in late February … but come mid-to-late March, he’d ditched it completely for a new movie he’s shooting — so that means his comments in the KH show are likely from February or possibly even before.One last thing of note … Ben says he feels he has 5 kids now instead of 3 — suggesting Jen’s two children are part of his family, and he doesn’t distinguish them at all.

Of course, things have changed a lot since then … now, he’s moved out of the marital home — and on its face, it looks like Ben and Jen might be headed for divorce.